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The 11 million
04 07 06 | Kenneth Wallis

Posted on 04/07/2006 9:44:57 AM PDT by pulaskibush

The 11 million

11 million happens to be the standard number used to estimate how many illegal immigrants are in the United States. Currently, there are several bills being drafted in the US Senate that are supposed to deal with the 11 million in some way. Media Pundits, Hispanic activist groups, liberals, and too many gullible Republicans have claimed that we can't get 11 million people out of this country, that removing them would collapse the US economy, and that pandering to illegals is the only way to gain the “Hispanic Vote”. These are the reasons that some senators want to attach an "amnesty lite" to the House bill that is supposed to boost enforcement along the Mexican Border. Sadly, many conservatives have no response to these accusations by the pro-illegal agenda.

In almost every time immigration is talked about, liberal pundits ask “how do you deport 11 million people”? They appear proud to state that it is impossible to find, arrest, and move 11 million illegals back to their countries. The reason for this arrogant stance to make sure that America never tries. These are same people who said we couldn’t change the USSR, that the welfare system should never be changed, and other wrong predictions. Millions of Americans have demanded that we cut the welfare and go after the businesses that hire illegals. In Arizona, an overwhelming number of citizens voted yes for Proposition 200, including 40% of the Hispanics who care more about America than Mexico. Pro-illegal groups are trying to overturn the will of Arizona citizens in the courts. Proposition 187, voted by 25% of Hispanic in the blue state of California, was overturn by an activist federal judge. It’s pretty clear that a lot of the 11 million need the American taxpayer’s money in order to stay in the USA and that pro-illegal agenda will use the courts to keep the troughs full.

On the website http://www.wehirealiens.com/results.asp, the following companies are listed as hiring illegals in my state; Electrolux, Landsape Specialist, Flying Fish Restaurant, Great Dane Trailers, Jean Petit Poultry, The Country Club of Little Rock, OK Ind., and Shipley’s of Little Rock(where’s a cop when you need one?). Ken Lay is in jail for stealing thousands of dollars from Enron workers. The CEO’s of these companies steal millions from the US taxpayers, threaten American culture by encouraging illegal immigration, and threaten America’s security. Will cutting welfare and shutting down illegal immigrant companies force many illegals back home? The American people demand that their leaders at least try.

“They’re doing the jobs Americans won’t do”. This has been yet another lie repeated by the pro-illegal agenda and their friends in the media. This statement is used to support the idea that if we did enforce immigration laws, several industries would be completely destroyed and the economy as a whole would be damaged. Illegal workers make less than 5 percent of the U.S. labor force. Illegal immigrants are concentrated in construction, agriculture and cleaning jobs. 79 percent of the 23 million workers in service jobs are native-born Americans.81 percent of the 6 million workers in construction jobs are native-born Americans, and 77 percent of the 10 million workers in production jobs are native-born Americans. The US has a capitalist system, not a sweatshop system. When Enron was prosecuted, the energy industry did not collapse nor did we enter a second Great Depression. Other legitimate companies didn’t have to compete with Enron, making their business better. Speaking of large corrupt companies, the Arkansas based company Tyson Foods, one of the companies that funds illegal immigrant groups had a gross profit 1.74 billion dollars as of 31-Dec-05! Tyson’s CEO Mr. John Tyson makes 6.44 million dollars. I’m sure if he tries hard enough, John Tyson could get some Americans to pluck his chickens. Perhaps he can help pay for the 10 billion dollars the federal government pays a year (not including state costs). There were times when changing America’s workforce did affect the economy. When the new Republican Party abolished slavery in 1863, it ended the plantation system that had existed in the South for decades. The Slave Power warned the American people that ending slavery would cause harm to the agricultural industry and the American economy as a whole. The Slave Power was the term used in the Northern United States in the period 1840-1865 to describe the political power of the slaveholding class in the South. Here’s a partial quote about the Slave Power from historian Henry Adams. “Whenever a question arose of extending or protecting slavery, the slaveholders became friends of centralized power, and used that dangerous weapon with a kind of frenzy. Slavery in fact required centralization in order to maintain and protect itself, but it required to control the centralized machine; it needed despotic principles of government, but it needed them exclusively for its own use.” The Civil War and Reconstruction destroyed the Slave Power that had existed since the founding this country. What will the Party of Lincoln do to destroy the Illegal Immigrant Power that exist today?

The 2006 election is only a few months away, and some Republicans want the imfamous “Hispanic” vote to help them win. Pandering to the illegal agenda will never worked for the Republicans and has rarely worked for the democrats. Grey Davis only received 54 % of the Hispanic vote against his recall after he promised to allow illegals drivers’ licenses. Bustamante, Hispanic and former MECHA member, only received 52 % of the Hispanic vote. Both candidates found out that dominating the “Hispanic Vote” is mainly useless due to the fact that they are only 6% of the voting population. Both candidates lost the governor's seat to Arnold Swarzenegger after his opposition to illegal driver’s licenses. Supporters of immigration reform such as Tom Tancredo have won elections all across the country despite being attacked by Hispanic activist groups, liberal foundations, corrupt businesses, the liberal media, and other branches of the illegal agenda. Contrary to pro-illegal propaganda, the Republican Majority in California was lost by the Reagan Amnesty. Consider that between 1952 and 1988, California voted Republican in every election except 1964. Beginning in 1992, which is 2 years before Prop 187; California became a blue state and has not voted for a Republican President since. Besides the significant percent who are opposed to illegal immigration, many Hispanics do care about the rights of the unborn, Christian values, the war on terror, lower taxes, and other conservative issues.


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36 posted on 04/04/2006 8:31:22 AM PDT by jackbenimble http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608912/posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Power
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/amerworkers.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200604040747.asp
Rush Limbaugh radio show. Thursday around 1:00pm or so.

Here’s something you can send to Republicans.
1.
The most important aspect of immigration reform is to secure the border.
The media and the pro-illegal agenda have created the myth that we can’t secure the border unless we do something for the 11 million. All of the bills being proposed in the US Senate only delay the House bill that deals directly with the border problem.
2.
American voters want to remove the 11 million out of this country.
• The recall election of Pro-illegal immigration Governor Grey Davis was won by Arnold Schwarzenegger, who also got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote after opposing SB60 (drivers licenses for illegals) and having Pete Wilson in his camp. Bustamante, the most popular pro-illegal candidate, got only 52 percent of the Hispanic vote and of course lost.
• In Arizona Proposition 200, another law blocking illegals from welfare, passed easily with a 56 percent yes vote, including 40% of the Hispanic vote
• California, a liberal blue state, voted for Prop 187 which would have denied illegals welfare. This resolution was voted for by 25% of hispanics.
• Illegal immigrant groups challenge these propositions in courts because they know that millions of illegals depend on welfare to stay in the US
3.
Forcing illegals out of this country will not destroy the US economy
• Illegals are less than 5% of the workforce, they are not a majority in any industry nor are they “the backbone” of the economy.
• Many of the companies that hire illegals make billions in profits and could easily increase their wages to hire the majority of US workers in their industry.

• The same economic excuse to defend illegal labor was used to successfully defend slavery in the US for decades, resulting in the Civil War.
• The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that illegals cost the federal government $10 billion a year. State and local governments lose even more.

4.
Republicans will not get the “Hispanic Vote” by pandering to the illegal agenda
• Hispanic activist groups are loyal to Mexico first and the socialist agenda second. The National Hispanic Leadership Agenda give democrats over 90% favorable rating. A Conservative has no chance of gaining favor with these groups
• Propositions that cut welfare to illegals are supported by Americans, including many hispanics. Even more support is for securing the borders.
• The way for Conservatives to reach out to hispanics is the same way they reach out to the rest of America, by speaking and voting Conservative.
• The Hispanic Vote is 6% of the voting population

1 posted on 04/07/2006 9:45:04 AM PDT by pulaskibush
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To: pulaskibush

11 million is a joke. The real number is double or triple that.

The number the government doesn't want you to hear.


2 posted on 04/07/2006 9:47:42 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: pulaskibush

VIVA AMERICA!!!!

Recent illegal alien rally’s in the United States are a cause for great
concern. Our politicians (true to form) will probably not do the right
thing, but... American Christians can do the right thing.

You see, this great nation has a process for immigrants that includes
learning the Constitution and our rights. Those who come in illegally
do not hear the truth about our country and then make assumptions
that are damaging to our nation.

I am proposing a pro Jesus, pro America rally called VIVA AMERICA.
The rally would include:

***Latino music with current Christian and latino artists
***A message about the founding of America, what the Constitution
means, and how we preserve our liberties through sacrifice
***American Etiquette "How to be a good neighbor"
***A Gospel Message

This does not have to be huge. Any church or hall will do. Any church can do it. You can have a hundred small rally's in every church in America, or ... ???

The mass of illegals in our country are a field ripe for harvest.
Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great,
but the labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest,
that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

TEACH THE CONSTITUTION
TEACH VIRTUE
TEACH GODLINESS
TEACH CHARACTER
TEACH KINDNESS

VIVA AMERICA! VIVA AMERICA! VIVA AMERICA!



3 posted on 04/07/2006 9:49:47 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: pulaskibush

Good points.

ya might want to email this to GWB & the GOP since they seem to think that pandering to illegals is a way to get their party members elected.


4 posted on 04/07/2006 9:58:21 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Here's a website that may be interested in your idea.

http://www.latinoamericans.org/

5 posted on 04/07/2006 10:04:07 AM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: 1tin_soldier; a-whole-nother-box-of-pandoras; Ahban; Arkansawyer; Arkinsaw; Asphodel; ...

Arkansas Pinglist


6 posted on 04/07/2006 10:05:38 AM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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To: pulaskibush

Thanks for the website.
Going there now.

Awesome article BTW.


7 posted on 04/07/2006 10:10:55 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: pulaskibush

The more we crack down on illegal immigration, the less Mexicans in Mexico will cling to the Leftist frontrunner in this July's presidential elections who is suddenly in a statistical deadheat for the first time with right-leading Felipe Calderon. That Chavez-admiring Leftie had been ahead in the polls literally for years on promises of free money and threats of nationalization and such. Suddenly the immigration pressures have helped lead to a declining peso relative to the dollar, though, and voters (who know how much Mexico desperately needs the USA) are noticing growing U.S. disapproval for how Mexico's government still won't stand up to telecom monopoly magnate Carlos Slim (#3 on Forbes wealthiest list). Let's keep up the constructive pressure so that Mexicans who don't want to have to abandon Mexico can stay there (which most WANT to do anyway, to be with their families where they speak the same language and don't have to wash bathroom floors and pick pesticide-laden vegetables).

Meanwhile, don't we owe it to our American people struggling in Mexico who endure Mexico's shamelessly racist immigration restrictions to keep the pressure up and thereby empower reformers in Mexico in that way, too? Can you believe Mexico's hypocritically anti-gringo immigration laws which Rush Limbaugh now impressively and charismaticaly calls "Limbaugh's Laws" while saying we should try running the USA in a similar way to see what the reaction would be? Here they are:

http://www.directory.com.mx/immigration


8 posted on 04/07/2006 10:19:01 AM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: Jo Nuvark
BUMP

The mass of illegals in our country are a field ripe for harvest. Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great, but the labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.

TEACH THE CONSTITUTION
TEACH VIRTUE
TEACH GODLINESS
TEACH CHARACTER
TEACH KINDNESS

9 posted on 04/07/2006 10:20:54 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7

Please send the VIVA AMERICA message to your ping list.
God bless you.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 10:24:11 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: pulaskibush
The panderers in the Senate, both Democrats and Republicans, are not even doing a competent job of groveling for Hispanic votes. Poll after poll shows that the legal Hispanics, the ones who played by the rules to become US citizens, do NOT approve of an open border, or of any form of amnesty for the illegals.

And the simple fact is, the legal Hispanics are the ones who can vote, except in places like Los Angeles and Chicago, where those who are both illegal and dead still get to vote.

It so happens that the correct side on this issue is also the popular side. That just demonstrates, again, how Senators like Ted Kennedy and John McCain are grossly out of touch with both opinion in their own states, and opinion throughout the United States.

Thank God for the conservative Republicans who have just killed the amnesty bill in the Senate. And thank God for the conservative Republicans in the House, who stood ready to kill this bill if it escaped the Senate.

For more, click below:

P.S. I have an early primary for Congress in the 11th District of North Carolina, 2 May, less than a month away. Please visit my website in the tagline, and help however you can.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "The Ed McMahon Solution for Illegal Aliens"

11 posted on 04/07/2006 10:36:13 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
11 million is a joke. The real number is double or triple that.

Personally, I think its over 20 million.

That said, the methodology used is flawed, its also claimed that we have a legal immigrant population of 24 million.

This country is around 300 million in population.

Its pretty obvious the methodology being used is seriously in error and flawed.

The way illegals are measured is bad, really bad and inaccurate.

I just wish Tom Tancredo and others would point this out instead of using the false number and letting the media portray him as a nut.

12 posted on 04/07/2006 10:38:21 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: pulaskibush
The issue of a guest worker program is completely separate from the issue of illegal aliens.

We have a guest worker program. It may need to be reformed. But illegal aliens are those who have not applied to be guest workers. There are 11 million of them. The only thing needing reform concerning illegal aliens is to enforce the existing laws respecting their presence and their employment here.

Border security is the number one problem in this debate. The flood of illegal aliens is a major factor in relation to our lack of border security but it is only one factor. There is also a matter of national security in a time of war and in an age when terrorists have set their sights on inflicting mass destruction on our society.

After the issues of border security and millions of illegal foreign nationals on our soil the matter of guest workers is very small. Until the first two problems are thoroughly and firmly addressed the guest worker issue should not even be discussed.

The President and the Senate need to get that message with unambiguous resolve.

13 posted on 04/07/2006 10:39:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: pulaskibush
Republicans will not get the “Hispanic Vote” by pandering to the illegal agenda

It cannot be said often enough - these mass demonstrations are all denouncing Bush and his party.

Bush is importing the next 95% Democrat voting bloc, and his illegals in the streets are pissing on his head.

Go figure.

14 posted on 04/07/2006 10:46:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Congressman Billybob; All
Thank God for the conservative Republicans who have just killed the amnesty bill in the Senate. And thank God for the conservative Republicans in the House, who stood ready to kill this bill if it escaped the Senate.

Amen! We (the people) now have a small window of opportunity to harden some DC spines.

Call, write, fax, sign petitions ... make yourselves clear, make yourselves heard!

Border security! No employment for illegal aliens!

Immigration and a guest worker program are separate issues from the above.

15 posted on 04/07/2006 10:47:22 AM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: pulaskibush
How do you count people that don't want to be counted, noticed, marked out?..

11 million is a mythical number any that hear it(the number) should either laugh or get very mad.. for they are being played for an IDIOT.. Obliviously the number is low and is "spin"..

If THAT is accepted THEN.. the "illegal threat" takes on another character.. for it is being spun LOW to allow it to get BIGGER.. and BIGGER.. Which requires you to think.

WHAT is it that I will do about it?.. Unless you are a democrat then you should be happy about it.. For most all illegals are proto type democrats with a few RINOs in the mix..

16 posted on 04/07/2006 10:51:20 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Witnessing and teaching illegal immigrants these things is a very good thing to do.

However, part of the message still needs to be respect for our laws.

Our nation has a right and an obligation to limit immigration, and I believe that these people must be forced to return to their home countries.

If they then choose to try to return to our country legally and they fall within our limited needs for immigration, I would welcome them back.

If not, then they can use what they learn to try and improve life in their native country.

17 posted on 04/07/2006 11:07:14 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: untrained skeptic

[...If not, then they can use what they learn to try and improve life in their native country...]

Planting and watering. You're getting the Spirit of this.
Can your church help by hosting a VIVA AMERICA event?


18 posted on 04/07/2006 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Tribune7

TEACH THE CONSTITUTION
TEACH VIRTUE
TEACH GODLINESS
TEACH CHARACTER
TEACH KINDNESS

You must hve missed the Oakland school boards decision that teaching American values is "too white" and we must teach an Afro-Centric agenda so minorities can have pride in their heritage.


19 posted on 04/07/2006 11:21:26 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: edcoil

[...teaching American values is "too white" and we must teach Afro-Centric agenda so minorities can have pride in their heritage...]

LOL! Haven't you noticed? Diversity is Divisive.

Teach from the pulpit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Gal 5:23-24)


20 posted on 04/07/2006 11:31:31 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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